The Why of Donor Advised Funds
I’ve always been intrigued by Donor Advised Funds. Now that we’re married, we will no longer itemize by default, so Donor Advised Funds seem a great way to itemize sometimes. By my initial calculations, we will be able to itemize $12,320 in 2016 before any further charitable donations and not counting my husband’s charitable donations thus far this year. That’s $280 short of the married standard deduction. If we take each of our separate charitable savings accounts, as well as our separate desired charitable donation rates of our expected gross incomes for this year and next and contribute that to a Donor Advised Fund, then we should be able to itemize closer to $20,000 in 2016, which is a reasonable additional tax savings.
We would then make our 2016 and 2017 donations out of the Donor Advised Fund and in 2018, group contributions to the Donor Advised Fund to cover 2018 and 2019 income. This will become even more key going forward as the mortgage interest paid gets lower and lower each year as the mortgage amortizes and we will likely lose that deduction entirely in the next few years.
It’s even better to do this this year as I expect we could drop a tax bracket in 2017 and it’s better to take more deductions when you’re in a higher tax bracket.
Another benefit is that we can take appreciated shares from our taxable accounts to contribute to the Donor Advised Fund, rather than donating to charities with cash. My taxable account is aged enough at this point that about three quarters of its shares have long-term capital gains, so I would use those shares to contribute to the Donor Advised Fund and then avoid paying capital gains taxes on the shares.
Where to open one?
Vanguard, Fidelity, Schwab all offer them, with a variety of minimums and fees.
We both have all of our non-workplace investments at Vanguard, so that seems like a great place to start. Unfortunately for us, their minimums are far higher than what we are prepared for at the moment: you need $25,000 to open a new account, each additional contribution must be at least $5,000 and each charity grant must be $500.
Currently, we both tend to donate $50-100 to charities on occasion and would prefer to be able to continue doing that for the near future.
Fidelity and Schwab, on the other hand only require a $5,000 commitment to open a new account and allow you to grant as little as $50 at a time to a charity. Schwab’s minimum additional contribution is $500. According to Bogleheads, Fidelity’s is $1,000, but I can’t find that on their website. They both have a minimum administrative fee of $100, which seems reasonable to me for the tax savings.
We both have checking accounts at Schwab because they offer unlimited international ATM fee reimbursements. Those accounts might be a good one to combine in our combining of accounts considering that we usually travel internationally together and even before we were married, we never tracked cash separately – whoever had the right denomination of cash was the one who paid and I always got to keep the coins. This worked out great for me when we would travel to countries with bills no smaller than a five. Thus, Schwab is a reasonable contender for our Donor Advised Fund.
One of us has some workplace accounts at Fidelity and I have the Fidelity Visa, so that could also be a reasonable place to open our Donor Advised Fund.
It does appear that if we changed our minds on how much we donate to charities at a time and wanted to switch over to Vanguard later, we could do so by submitting a grant proposal to our new donor advised fund at Vanguard, so we’re not long-term committed to whichever provider we choose.
I did all of this research, presented it to my husband, and he cut me off while explaining why I would pick Schwab to explain which one he would pick, which turned out to be Schwab. So it looks like we are going with Schwab!
What does it take to open one at Schwab?
You need to provide all of the normal information you do when opening an account: name, SSN, date of birth, home and mailing addresses, employment status and occupation. You provide a primary account holder and secondary account holders, which both have full and equal privileges. You can designate successors and/or beneficiaries. You indicate the investment options you prefer, which can be as simple as Schwab’s Total Market Equity Index fund or a Money Market fund if you don’t plan to keep assets in the Donor Advised Fund for too long before granting them to charities.
Your initial contribution needs to be at least $5,000. It looks like the simplest way to transfer money into the Donor Advised Fund is to have the assets already in a Schwab brokerage account, to write a cash check, or to do an ACH transfer from another bank account. You can, however, also transfer shares from another institution. Our plan is to transfer shares from our separate Vanguard taxable accounts that have long-term capital gains as Schwab Charitable can pull from two separate Vanguard accounts.
What to name it?
My vote is for either “The HerLast HisLast Charitable Fund” or “The HisLast HerLast Charitable Fund”. We are still discussing which ordering sounds better and our discussions are proving inconclusive. Someone on Twitter suggested “The FewerSyllables MoreSyllables Charitable Fund”. We’re both relatively indifferent to the names ordering.
Next up: follow up on these action items and get our initial contributions in before 12/31/2016…
I joked to my husband that we should get life insurance on me when I leave my job, but that was only a joke because it is pretty much entirely unnecessary. (The questionnaire from my lawyer for our postnuptial agreement asked if we have any life insurance and my husband joked “We decided we didn’t need any on her life because she’s too loaded/baller for that.”) If anything happened to me, he could never need to work again. I sure hope I’m worth more to him alive though! :) If anything happened to him, I would never need to work again.
People try to sell you on buying life insurance when you’re young and healthy and have no dependents because it will be cheaper. I realize that we are a strange case and you the reader may need life insurance more than we do, but this should at the very least be an example of a critical thinking exercise.
Kathleen wrote a smart article evaluating how much life insurance her and her husband needed last year and I plugged in our numbers to the tool she linked:
I used their default final expenses cost of $15,000, the outstanding mortgage balance of $127,000, and our zero children.
I told the calculator my husband’s current expenses without mine, how much we have in savings and investments outside of retirement accounts, how much we currently have in retirement savings, my husband’s current income and marginal tax rate. It told me that I need negative $1.65M in life insurance on me. If I take out my husband’s income, the calculator then told me I need negative $200,000 in life insurance on me. When I swapped the numbers around to my current expenses without my husband’s (including the current mortgage payment), included the amount of life insurance that my husband has through his work (he has the minimum), and put that I have $0 of income, it told me that I need negative $500,000 in life insurance on him.
Now you might be saying “well what about when you have kids in the future, so shouldn’t you buy life insurance now to cover that future hypothetical?” And if you know me and my future planning at all, you’d be a bit surprised that I am not planning for that possibility, unless you also know that I don’t want kids. If you truly plan on having kids, it seems smart to me to buy life insurance before you get pregnant. The naysayers will tell you that you should buy life insurance in your twenties because it’s cheap and then you lock in low rates without worrying about any health issues. That may be the case for a lot of people, but my husband and I really truly believe that we have self-insured and don’t plan to buy life insurance. We may even manage to avoid buying it even if we change our minds and end up having children – that all depends on where our net worth stands when that happens. Mr. Money Mustache and his wife famously don’t have any life insurance either.
I’m writing this from a perspective of not yet being financially independent enough to support our joint lifestyle forever with our current net worth, but from being far enough along that our current net worth could almost support one of us forever.
A caveat here though: you really need to do research and calculations for your own situation. If you have children and you don’t have enough assets for your spouse to continue your joint lifestyle as is without your income or vice versa, then I cannot stress enough that you should very likely have at least a small bit of life insurance. What I am saying though is to not blindly buy life insurance and to think critically through your situation.
Readers, at what point would you self-insure on life insurance? How much life insurance do you have in your twenties?
I’m starting a series on what our married finances look like that will run until I run out of inspiration :)
My husband and I opened up a joint checking account back when he moved in at the credit union where we both had accounts. We also both had online savings accounts at Ally Bank. At the beginning of 2016, I moved my accounts to Alliant Credit Union because I was tired of meeting the rewards checking account requirements and Alliant has the same savings account interest rate as Ally Bank.
Back when we were both at the same credit union, we would transfer money to each other to pay each other back. As things became more serious, we started using a lazy spreadsheet to keep track of who paid for what rather than paying each other back for each individual item, so that wasn’t nearly as annoying as it would have been at the beginning. Plus, Square Cash is incredibly useful and easy to use, so that made the separate credit unions transition easier.
Managing the joint checking account became far more annoying though because then in order for me to get money into it, I needed to first transfer the money to my checking account at our shared credit union and then transfer that sum to the joint checking account OR send my half of the money to my husband via Square Cash and he transfer the whole amount into the joint checking account. We hadn’t used the joint checking account in a year until we went to the first wedding of the year and paid our interior designer via check out of the joint account and then this turned into a huge hassle when we then wrote about 10 checks off the account this year. We also pay our biweekly house cleaner with a check.
And then we got married, which prompted the joint accounts debate again. Like good engineers, we’ve been developing requirements for a joint account. Our two top contenders are Ally Bank and Alliant Credit Union. We ruled out our current shared credit union as they don’t have good interest rates and the ATM fee rebates require a certain number of debit card transactions per month. We ruled out major banks as they have terrible interest rates, though we will likely keep a brick and mortar joint account as well at least for now for ease of depositing the wedding present checks that we have been getting.
- All of our checking and savings accounts should be at the same financial institution: her personal checking, his personal checking, her personal savings accounts, his personal savings accounts, joint checking, and joint savings accounts. Neither of us is convinced into spending money that is in savings, so this is a great convenience fee.
- We should be able to transfer immediately and freely between all of the accounts listed in 1.
- We should be able to ACH transfer quickly (ish) for free to accounts at other institutions.
- The checking account should refund at least 2 ATM fees per month, for free with no requirements. [Alliant does this immediately and has a $20 maximum. Ally Bank has a $10 maximum and I’m not sure how quickly they do this.]
- Easy to acquire free checks on the checking account because apparently we write a lot of checks off the joint account.
- Free bill pay, but that seems to be a given these days.
- A clean and friendly user interface on their website (ahem current shared credit union does not meet this!)
- An easy to use mobile app [Ally is currently winning this one, but Alliant’s Twitter account says they’ll have a new app out in November]
- Ability to deposit cash at ATMs
- Two-factor authentication [Neither Ally nor Alliant seem to have this…]
- The savings account should have a reasonable interest rate, e.g. at least 1% today.
This has been a fun decision to make! Generally I make more of our organizing personal finance decisions since I’m the planner, but my husband took to /r/personalfinance and Bogleheads to research these two options before we give one a try.
I’ll report back in a few months on how we’re enjoying the one we picked! It will, after all, take a little while to get things rearranged.
Readers, how did your banking setups change when you got married?
We’re both on the introverted side and neither of us saw marriage as a shiny penny, but as something we were already living day and in and day out at the time that we chose to marry. Eloping thus turned out to be the perfect solution – it meant that we weren’t focusing on a big party, but on choosing to marry each other.
We had been talking about marriage for a while now off and on, so it didn’t surprise anyone that we decided pretty quickly to get married. A note to anyone else planning a wedding: all you really need is about 48 hours or whatever your local jurisdiction’s waiting period is. People were surprisingly shocked though that we didn’t have an official proposal or an engagement ring, though the latter was mostly my decision as I’m still on the fence as to whether I want to wear one. My now-husband (!) has said we could buy me one if I really wanted it, though I’d kind of rather have a tablet I think.
We made the decision to get married so quickly that we didn’t have time to draw up a pre-nuptial agreement, so we’ll be drawing up a post-nuptial agreement soon and I’ll be talking about that when we figure out what it looks like. At this time it appears that it will likely cost about what we spent flying the key people in to the wedding location. We’re both really excited to combine as much as makes sense. After all, we do already have the same Investment Policy Statement and we both hate even low-interest mortgage debt. This event has created plenty of inspiration for future blog posts!
Why do I say it was a millionaire’s elopement? Now that we’re married, we sort of have a combined net worth even if some of it will stay separate and combined, our net worth was over a million dollars as of our wedding date.
What did our wedding spending look like?
Total cost: $3,500
$2,300 Flying some key people here (2/3 of the cost of the wedding)
$800 two wedding bands
$140 Attire – I bought a dress off the rack and my husband wore a suit he already owned
$100 buying up some domain names
$84 Ubers around
Marriage license fee (I google’d “our county marriage license” to research this – I know it varies from county to county whether there is a waiting period so be careful of that!)
Fee for two certified copies of the marriage license
$6 buying some birthday cards and stamps for a few birthdays we missed because we eloped
$0 Photographer – our witnesses and officiant are hobbyist photographers
$0 Officiant – a friend officiated and was included in the post-wedding food
$0 Venue – we got married at a park
$0 Food – Dinners and lunches were paid for by either our grocery budget or our parents as a gift (I’m guessing this was about $600-800)
$0 Flowers – no time for such things
$0 Music – we were in a park! Natural noise from that
While I was procrastinating something the other day, I read through a thread on an internet forums wherein forum members shame their coworkers/friends/relatives for not being as good with money as them. These forum members also have tales of being ridiculed for being so cheap/frugal. And yet, they’re ridiculing their friends/coworkers/relatives in this anonymous, but very heavily search engine indexed forum. Say what?
This whole world would be better if we could learn to not judge others for their choices. This is something I’ve been working on the last few years, but at this point, I have my financial judging down to one: complaining about something that you could fix, but aren’t.
For the longest time, I judged a spendy friend for spending in different ways than I value. I also judged my boyfriend for spending in different ways than I value. But both of those two people have solid reserves and spend less than they earn – just in different ways than I would. To my friend, I probably spend more on security (savings) than they consider necessary. I think they spent more on housing than probably necessary, but you know what I can comment on? They have a really lovely house. And I absolutely love really lovely houses even if I don’t value spending my money on them. (Okay, I do, but in smaller doses of money spent.)
What does judging others for their different financial ideas get you? All it gets you is a negative attitude towards them. You don’t have to share every single possible interest with someone in order to be friends. I have friends who I work out with, friends who I work with, friends who I discuss money with, friends who I travel with, etc. Unless someone told you exactly the decision process that led them to do X where X is something you don’t agree with, you quite possibly don’t even know where they’re coming from. I’ve had people judge me for buying a brand-new car, without knowing that my plan was to hold it for 10-15 years. People judged me for pre-ordering an iPhone 6S when it was announced, without considering that perhaps I am frugal in other ways and that is a way in which I choose to spend my money, or realizing that I spend $35/month on my cell phone plan.
If you’re financially stable, that’s probably one of your values. I know it’s one of mine. I value being financially stable and secure, living in a home I love, having a closet of clothes that fit and make me feel good wearing them, getting plenty of time outdoors, and staying active.
Instead of spending time judging others for their so-called terrible decisions, instead try to remain positive. You might even end up educating them or learning something yourself. For example, when a coworker judged me for buying the new phone, I told them that I paid cash for it and have a cheap cell phone plan, which they hadn’t even realized was an option. They then bought their next cell phone in cash as well and have a cheaper cell phone plan as well now. I will say I was surprised at the person who was incredulous that I would pay $800 in one go for a phone. Yet it’s a device that they too use all the time and get a ton of enjoyment and use out of it for an $800 thing that will cost me about $1/day. I would almost say I get more use out of my phone these days than out of a personal computer.
That said, the guy boasting about having only two dollars and thirty seven cents in his checking account? Definitely not going on a date with him, no matter how cute he might be. I am allowed to reserve some judgment for potential romantic pursuits. After all, you want to find a life partner who shares many of your core values.
This is a super controversial topic, I know. But I plan to marry only with a solid pre-nup in place. I always knew I would marry with a pre-nup, since I was in my early twenties and my parents told me how much money they had then. My mom tried to tell me again recently and I told her I don’t need to know as it’s their money for them to spend in their lifetimes – I don’t need it. I definitely knew I would marry with a pre-nup when I was a 23 year old buying a condo with a 20% down payment and cash reserves leftover while still maxing out her 401(k). Hot stuff that sure intimated guys! My boyfriend, on the other hand, seems to find it attractive that I am wildly independent and know my way around Vanguard. I still remember his calm response when I first told him how much money I had saved, which was back when my net worth was in the high $300k range.
My boyfriend and I have started discussing what our pre-nup will look like, slowly, what our finances will look like in the future, how we will handle this appreciating like wild fire (too soon?) condo that I own right now as my separate property. A hot anniversary dinner topic, I know.
He was flabbergasted when I told him of how many people on the financial internet are so strongly in the one pot finances camp that they belittle people for ever separating their money or having a pre-nup. With the slow pace we are taking to the altar, by the time we get married, we could very well have a solid $2M net worth minimum combined. That’s a pretty huge difference from people who meet in college, with no money, have $50k/year jobs and get married in their mid-to-late-twenties. We are two financially stable, high income adults, a far cry from the people we were in college when we met.
Pre-nups aren’t just for people from old money. They’re for people who think strategically about how they will grow their wealth as a couple, while financially protecting both parties. For example, I picture using a pre-nup to re-title assets so that we could own this condo together without a mortgage or selling off any assets. Or we could use a pre-nup to re-title our separately lopsided, but balanced combined investment portfolios where one of us has 80% of their portfolio in taxable accounts and the other has 80% of their portfolio in tax-advantaged accounts, though both are completely indexed with maxed out 401(k)s, Backdoor Roth IRAs, and happy Vanguard accounts.
Right now, we track some shared spending in a spreadsheet. By we, I mean, I enter the data in the spreadsheet and update him every few months, usually to confirm that our system is working as expected and we’re splitting expenses just fine with our lackadaisical he pays for some items, I pay for others, and we split some 50/50 approach.
I tried to suggest to him that we make a game in 2015 of which one of us could save more money. When he remembers, he kicks himself for not agreeing to this game because it turned out that I took two months off unpaid and he had a record income year, so he totally would have won.
No, we’re not engaged. But we envision a future together, building wealth together. A mortgage-free life with index funds and maxed out 401(k)s. Financial security is sexy and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
Here is to many more years of a life of delicious food cooked at home and adventures together! Swoon.
It’s no secret that I spend a lot of time tracking my finances and I love that! I realized though as grad school kicked into gear that I have too many systems that require me to perform some actions on a specific date, which is problematic when grad school is more important than micromanaging my finances.
So I decided to unbudget in 2016.
What does this mean? I still tracked my spending via the normal ways, but it won’t be time sensitive anymore. I’ll be able to track my spending a month or two later with no effect on anything.
My spending has been relatively consistent since graduating from college. If I throw out the highest year (the year I bought my condo), my spending averages out to $44,000 per year. For 2016, instead of micromanaging how much money my checking account gets each month and it varying a ton, I just took my 2015 annual spending ($48,000), divided it by 12, and gave myself that amount each month. I generally know how much will debit from my checking account each month (credit card bills, mortgage payment, HOA dues, and property tax payments), so I’ll be able to do a quick check by looking at my balance and seeing if I need to add a bit extra.
Why did I do this? It seemed like an interesting experiment, especially since the system of detailed budgeting I used from 2010 through 2015 was largely unnecessary with the huge difference between my income and my spending. This is also essentially what my boyfriend does, so I wanted to experiment and see if it could work for me too. When I first told my boyfriend about my idea, he thought I was crazy and it would never work.
How is the experiment going?
It’s going great!
I started out the year with an auto-transfer from savings to checking of $4,000 on the last day of each month, but in late April (once I finished with 401(k) contributions for the year), I switched it up for my employer to direct deposit $2,000 each pay check to my checking account and the remainder to my savings account. I can split my direct deposit so many ways that I actually also set it up to put 1% of my gross income into my charitable donations savings account as well, which is awesome. The only thing I do manually now is I pay the balance of every credit card as of the last day of the month on the first of the next month, to start the month with a clean slate on the credit card balance, instead of paying attention to the due dates. I used to have my mortgage payment auto-pay on the last possible day it could, but I changed it to the third of the month so it came out earlier and then I knew how much was left in my checking account earlier. Any funds that are leftover in my checking account at the end of the month just stay there and roll over to the next month, which is how I deal with the irregular, but large-ish expenses like property taxes, insurance, and travel.
It’s kind of weird not knowing that I have set aside $X for property taxes so far, that I have $Y left in my clothing budget and $Z in my travel budget, but that’s surprisingly okay. If I spend more this year than I did on clothing last year, then I may consider a clothing budget to see if that helps with the spending. But for everything else, it has been fine. It’s nice getting invited to yet another wedding and not feeling like I need to add money to my presents budget because I don’t have a presents budget! It’s also nice getting the property tax bill and not being annoyed at needing to adjust my budget because it went up by more than what I had estimated. So far, I’ve stayed “under” budget, which is nice, but we also haven’t booked much travel yet this year.
The $48,000 figure was my total 2015 spending less grad school costs and charitable donations, rounded up to the next $1,000. I forgot to exclude medical expenses as I pay those out of my HSA, so really, I could have budgeted probably $47,000, but the buffer is nice to have. If I have funds left in my checking account at the end of the year (which I’m guessing I will), my plan is to just leave them there and then reduce the monthly deposits for 2017. So if I budget $48,000 again, but there is $4,000 left in my checking account, I’ll only transfer $3,666.67/month and not $4,000/month, which would leave a bit more room for savings next year.
So far, my spending seems reasonably in line with my 2015 spending, so I’m not particularly worried.
I have been tracking my spending reasonably close to when it happened, which isn’t strictly necessary, but it’s okay. The time saved not playing with the budget spreadsheet is huge.
This strange way of budgeting also means that it’s really hard to go over budget and irregular spending is accounted for since I never transfer money out of my checking account except to pay the mortgage/credit card bills.
Readers, how have your budgeting strategies evolved over time?